The Lightning Sorceress - Not a solution to all problems

[:1]Basically, partially a whine thread from me (and because I got nothing better to do). Anyway, reading through some of the threads here, as soon someone is asking for suggestions, there is always someone who goes "go lightning sorc with Infinity".

Now, I have nothing inherently against lightning sorceresses nor the Infinity runeword. In fact I find both to be fantastic. However, telling people that this is the solution to all problems the average sorceress player will face (e.g. can't kill things fast enough, things are immune to my spells, I want to mf area X but I die a lot and so on and so forth) is just right out wrong. And it begs the question why people do it. There are simply other ways to play a sorceress as effectively as a lightning sorceress.

So, a general request from people who post in threads where players either ask for help or suggestions - please read through the OP at least once and think of what the OP is actually asking for. If someone says "I am on a budget and I got 5 ists to spend. What gear should I spend it on?" saying "go lit and buy infy" is not the right answer.

Yes, secretely I think all sorceress players love the idea of a 200 fcr sorceress with an Infinity merc, but ask yourself - is this realistic to every player who plays the game? The answer to that is easily no. Therefore, this cannot be the cookie cutter answer everytime someone asks a question about sorceresses. Therefore, don't give it as a standard cookie cutter answer. If you got nothing better to type than "lit and infy", then maybe you shouldn't do it.

On a sidenote, I guess some people will flame me for this, but go ahead. It probably just shows you didn't actually read what I wrote. |||If the sum total of your advice is to say "go light with infi" to someone who's struggling or looking for help on a budget, then you obviously didn't read the OP (or have an idea of what it's like playing self-found). There will always be people like that.

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There are simply other ways to play a sorceress as effectively as a lightning sorceress.




If the OP has some wealth I usually mention Infi/Lightning because if there's even a small chance you can make it, it'll beat anything else you can do. It's not like you need anything else expensive (or 200 fcr) to make it work; an Um for Crescent Moon, fill the rest with pgem gear and you're good to go.

Amen |||I have to agree with the OP, not everyone can afford infinity. I myself don't like the play style of an infinity sorceress, because I consider it too easy. I like how immunities make the game challenging for a sorceress, and I enjoy going up against them.

I don't really have anything against people who use infinity, but it's not really my cup of tea, regardless of its power.|||my fireball/orb sorc uses infinity and kicks ***, but i have been saving up for that all ladder and ive rolled with merc having insight, she is a relatively cheap build otherwise and a great area clearer, i like what your saying though that it is not always the answer, there are pletny of viable and effective builds out there without the classic 'lit / infi'

|||If you can afford it, the lightning sorc with infinity is a solution to all problems - unless your problem is that you've been playing a lightning sorc and are bored of it.

I agree that it is annoying when people respond to threads without reading them, but the reason light/infty is cookie cutter is because it is far and away the most powerful spec.|||Quote:




If you can afford it, the lightning sorc with infinity is a solution to all problems - unless your problem is that you've been playing a lightning sorc and are bored of it.




See, you are contradicting yourself here because not everyone can afford it. Ergo, if economy is the problem, it is not a solution. Or for the matter again a solution as you mentioned, for those bored with the particular build.

I've seen threads where there are questions like "I am new to the game/ladder and I want to make a sorc, what is the best way for me to build wealth?", and people go "lit + Infy".

The point of my point here isn't so much to decry over how powerful lightning + Infy is - rather, the simplemindedness of the response itself (some people make very good points why it should be preferred, but this thread is generally not directed at those people who know the math). It's not only about reading comprehension, it's also about how useful the response is. Cookie cutter build does not mean that cookie cutter build is a good cookie cutter response.

To clarify, of course context matters. I never said otherwise. If someone is obviously asking something like "should I use Infinity?", it is clear the person has enough wealth to do it and thus should do it. The problem is that it is also given as an answer to those who provide with enough context to tell that Infinity is not possible or easily within reach. Then it should preferrably be omitted entirely from the response except maybe as an "if you can afford it/when you can afford it" sort of deal.|||infy light sorcs are the best pvm sorc and this isn't going to change.

before you get an infy you have several options usually mentioned in every topic. with respecs the transition has never been easier.|||Light/infi build is the most effective build no doubt. And budget wise, I don't think they are expensive, because with infinity, your other gears can be crap and still rule most areas. The only thing you need is infinity.

For other builds, to be very effective, you need several good gears. So I consider light sorc the cheapest sorc build.|||Ye, farming two Ber runes is really trivial compared to how hard it is to get two Spirits, Vipermagi and Lore... |||Quote:








Ye, farming two Ber runes is really trivial compared to how hard it is to get two Spirits, Vipermagi and Lore...




Why do you farm it, you trade it. Collecting pgs and mid runes are pretty easy, then you get a hr. From there, you got a start. Buy low sell high, people overpay for a lot of regular stuff. Nowadays, tons of people use bots, high runes are not that rare anymore. Those people are the ones who will overpay for stuff.